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Embroidery logo placement

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Need some help please.   When using a placement chart for a left-chest logo, are the measurements for the center of the item or the top of the embroidery design?


Hi, here is a general placement for a left logo

Center of the design and down from the shoulder

         Men shirts         8 to 9 inches down and 4 to 5 inches over    
         Women Shirts   7 to 8 inches down and 4 to 5 inches over

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