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Can You Really Tell the Difference Between Satin Stitch Underlays?

 The Setup
The fabric: Fruit of the Loom Original Polo Shirt, 100% cotton pique, 185gsm
Stabilizer: Two sheets of Madeira Web 50g tear-away
Thread: Madeira Polyneon 40wt white thread
Satin stitch columns: 1mm to 10mm wide, all 30mm tall
Density: 0.4mm
Tension and stabilizer: Same for all
Only variable: Underlay type
1st Row: Center Run 2nd Row: Zig Zag 3rd Row: Double Zig Zag 4th Row: Double Zig Zag + Edge Run What We Observed
Center Run: Clean but less support on wider areas (7mm+).
Zig Zag: Better fill texture, slightly fuller stitches.
Double Zig Zag: Even more bulk and coverage, better hold.
Double Zig Zag + Edge Run: Best shape retention and border sharpness.
What Embroiderers Say
"I feel the difference more than I see it." "On thinner fabric, the weaker underlays fall apart." "Try this with a 100% cotton t-shirt and you'll see the gaps." "Edge run + zig zag = must-have for big curved letters." Final Takeaways
Underlays may be invisible once stitched over, but their effects are far from hidden. For small, stable designs on thick fabric, center run may suffice. But for curves, large shapes, or soft materials, zig zag and edge runs deliver the results.
For best insight, try this:
Stitch the same design with different underlays on different fabrics Use the same stabilizer, thread, and tension Label your rows and test after washing Pro Tip
Always view your satin stitches at a 45° angle under good lighting — that’s when differences in coverage and tension become most visible.
Buying a Used Embroidery Machine with 135,000 Stitches: Is It a Good Deal?
If you're considering buying a used embroidery machine with around 135,000 stitches, you might be wondering—is that a lot?
Spoiler alert: 135,000 stitches is practically nothing. What Does 135,000 Stitches Really Mean?
One medium design can have 60,000–100,000 stitches. Some commercial designs hit 200,000+ in one run. Many users easily pass 1 million stitches in their first year. Commercial machines can run 300 million+ stitches and still operate smoothly.
What Actually Matters When Buying Used
Maintenance History: Was it regularly oiled and serviced? Stitch Quality: Always test run a design before buying. Brand: Trusted names like Brother, Janome, Barudan, Tajima are reliable. Accessories: Check for hoops, software, and USB or floppy support. Community Insight
"My brand new Barudan came with 220k stitches just from factory testing."
"I've done over 14 million stitches in a year—135k is a warm-up!" Bottom Line
With just 135,000 stitches, your machine is nearly new. It’s a great deal, especially if it’s in working condition and from a trusted brand. So go ahead, power it up and start stitching!
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Brothread vs Madeira: Choosing the Right Metallic Thread for Embroidery
Metallic threads bring shimmer and luxury to embroidery, but they can also be finicky. Whether you're working on a detailed logo or delicate accents, the thread brand you choose can make all the difference.

Brothread
Good for light or minimal metallic accents Color fades quickly over time Prone to thread breakage, especially at high speeds Very affordable option for hobbyists
Madeira CR Metallic
Modern core technology for smoother performance Can be run faster with fewer breaks Better results, especially on commercial machines Avoid “Super Twist” – many users find it frustrating Digitizing & Machine Tips for Metallic Threads
Use topstitch needles (size 90/14 or 100/16) Add underlay stitching for stability Reduce stitch density in designs Slow down machine speed unless using CR thread If you're embroidering a complex logo or using metallics often, Madeira CR is the clear winner for performance. But for light, decorative use on a budget, Brothread may still work well.
Have you tried other brands like Yenmet? Drop your experience in the comments and help fellow embroiderers sparkle smarter!
Is the Brother PE800 Still Worth It in 2025? Real Opinions & Honest Advice

Introduction: Tempting Deal or Troubles Ahead?
The Brother PE800 embroidery machine has been a favorite for years. But in 2025, is it smart to buy a used one? A student recently found a 2020 model for under $1,000 with a table, bobbins, and a thread rack. Tempting — but is it too good to be true?
Why the Brother PE800 Is Still a Contender in 2025
Reliable Build Quality
Users report great performance over the years of use. With regular maintenance, even older machines keep stitching beautifully.
Generous Hoop Size
The 5"x7" hoop size is ideal for custom clothing and gifts — better than many entry-level machines.
Beginner-Friendly
The touchscreen, USB support, and built-in designs make this model easy to use while offering creative flexibility.
Concerns About Buying a Discontinued Model
Limited Future Support
Parts may become harder to find over time, but since the PE800 was widely sold, replacements are still fairly accessible in 2025.
Price Consideration
Some suggest that paying over $800, even with accessories, is on the high end. Consider models like the PE770 for a tighter budget.
Used Machine Checklist: What to Look for
Check the stitch count Test the USB import function Inspect the accessories' value Try a short demo if possible Final Thoughts: Should You Buy It?
If it’s lightly used and under $800, it could be an excellent investment for beginners or anyone starting a small embroidery business. Just be ready to maintain it long-term.
Final Thoughts: Should You Buy It?
If you're a broke college student dreaming of launching a small embroidery business or making custom clothes, this deal is definitely tempting. And if the machine is well cared for and low-use (as claimed), the Brother PE800 can absolutely be a solid investment—even in 2025.
Verdict:
Worth it if the price is fair (ideally under $800), the machine is lightly used, and you’re okay with maintaining it long-term.
If you're unsure, ask the seller for a short demo, or bring someone knowledgeable with you to inspect the machine.
What Do You Think?
Have you had recent experience with the Brother PE800? Share your thoughts and help others in the comments!

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